I was an art major
without a clue … a confessional
By Torrey Martin, McDonough School of Business MBA 2000
Yes it’s true, poets and artists are people too!
I went to Lafayette College in Easton, PA and was a
double major History and Art. Upon graduation I had
no clue what to do with my life. So, I moved to Vail,
Colorado and taught skiing for two years. Then, on to
NYC where I worked for a year and a half at a television
advertising sales firm. Following that, I worked as
a strategist for a small consulting firm in Connecticut.
All of a sudden like a blinding flash, I decided to
go to business school. OK, I know what you’re
thinking … this guy is all over the map, what
an idiot. I agree. The thing is, I wasn’t lucky
enough to know exactly what path I wanted to follow,
and probably still don’t.
After attending several of the company events, Career
Day, speaking with Career Management, etc. I decided
that investment banking was my calling … or was
it more strategic marketing … or was it working
for an Internet firm. The point is that no matter what
position you’re going for the method is the same,
just different jargon, dress codes, and maybe you use
Excel instead of Word.
The critical success factors in landing the right position
are the 4Ps of job hunting (not to be confused with
the 4Ps of marketing, nor to be confused with the 4Ps
of Connecticut Avenue – a great Irish bar next
to the Uptown Theatre). No, these Ps can make it all
come together Preparation, Practice, Polish,
and Persistence:
Preparation – DO YOUR HOMEWORK
– know the “why’s”
Why banking / consulting / corpfin / etc?
- Why XYZ firm?
- Why Georgetown?
- Why should they pick you?
Practice – have your
friends grill you on every possible question –
take this seriously because your classmates are going
through the same interviews you are and can hit you
up with the worst of the worst. For some reason, I seem
to draw out the ‘weird’ in interviewers,
some examples:
(Strategic Marketing): If you were a cereal
what cereal would you be and why? My response: Crunchy
granola suite (from the Neil Diamond tune), you know
kind fun, full of uhhh fiber, and good for you.
(Strategic Marketing – same interview part
II): What makes you tick?
My response: You mean besides the electromagnetic pulses
causing the contraction and expansion of the muscles
of my heart?
(Investment Banking): We chitchat for a while
and then the interviewer slides a handwritten piece
of paper across the table to me, I’m not kidding
it looked like this, and asks me what does this mean?
$A$4
$A4
A$4
IF(H57=0,0,+H57/$D57)
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My response: Uhhhhhhhh bond math? Now that I’m
seasoned Excel veteran, I know what these mean (you’ll
have to take my word for it), but at the time I was
not a happy camper.
(yet more Strategic Marketing different company):
They sent me an email (in German, which I speak but
don’t really read very well) of the base parameters
of the project they wanted me to do for the summer.
I had to do a strategic analysis of the situation and
a 5-page write-up (in English). I never spoke to anyone
at all – just email, definitely the strangest
interview process I went through.
(M&A): True story: the interviewer has
just gotten back from a bachelor party in Vegas, his
plane was delayed, he has not slept in 36 hours. He
asks me the basic investment banking questions and while
listening to my answers his pupils dilate, his eyelids
drop, and he actually nodded off once.
My response: I took to talking in a manner where I would
really INFLECT LOUDLY as soon as I saw him start to
drift.
The point is no matter what type of an interview you
are anticipating, you are absolutely guaranteed to get
something completely different. So the lesson is to
practice for unexpected, and have people grill you with
off the wall questions. You’ll still get the oddball
questions, when you wonder what this guy was smoking,
but at least you’ll not feel like a one-legged
duck swimming circles in a pond.
Polish – it is crucial
to be able to look, talk and act the part. This means
being really up to date on the markets, news, and lingo.
A lot of people say reading the WSJ is enough, I disagree
(I mean how can you believe a paper that has no sports
section and those funny looking drawings). Instead watch
CNBC – religiously. This is your best source for
the most current information, you hear the way Wall
Street speaks, and you see the look that bankers are
going for. Once you can act as Joe Kernan or Maria Bartiromo’s
stunt double, understand at least 75% of what they’re
saying, and know at least 10% of the ticker symbols
you’re on your way!
Persistence – one of
the biggest challenges when dealing with busy people
who may or may not want to deal with you is being a
real go-getter with out becoming annoying. The only
way to get through to some of these people is after
20-30 calls, 5 emails, and 2 letters. The key is to
keep them interested and get at them from different
angles. Some ideas:
- Make friends with the person taking your messages
– often this is the most important person not
to annoy – this is the gatekeeper.
- Attack from multiple angles – use MBACM, HR,
alums, classmates, friends of the family, etc. you’re
trying to create a buzz about yourself.
- Keep plugging away – eventually something
will work out (I didn’t get my internship until
May 1st). Others receive great late offers from places
like Salomon Smith Barney, Winstar, and the Washington
Redskins.
- When in doubt apply for everything – I have
a wall of shame that boggles the mind, but now I have
that many more companies that know my name when I
apply for a full-time position.
I eventually got four offers, two in strategic marketing,
and two in finance, which translates to a throughput
rate (just wait for POM) of about 4.2%. I took a position
working for the CFO of Friedman, Billings, Ramsey. Not
bad for a confused ski bum with a penchant for abstract
expressionism.
The bottom line is that hunting for a summer internship
is not a whole heck of lot of fun. Unfortunately, it
is a necessary evil. The process can be significantly
less painful than it was for me if you adhere the mantra
of the 4Ps: preparation, practice, persistence, and
polish. And if it works out for you maybe you can buy
me a pint at the other 4Ps.
Good luck…
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